Things that shouldn't have to be said

[nonelvis]

I probably shouldn't make this post, but I am, because I have had it.

I do not care if you don't like Steven Moffat's work. I do not care if you don't think he ships Doctor/Rose enough, appropriately, or at all. I do not care if you don't like River Song. Fandom is large and diverse, and we will never agree on everything. That's perfectly normal, and doesn't bother me in the least.

What I hope we can agree on is that it is absolutely not okay to refer to Moffat as "Herr Moff" or a "TV!Hitler" simply because you don't like his episodes, his characters, or what his plans for the show might be. I don't care how much you say you were "kidding"; it isn't funny. It will never be funny. Hitler killed millions and millions of people; nearly six million of my people alone. My thesis advisor had a number tattooed on her arm, and a pair of legs permanently damaged by the Nazis who ran her over for fun. A showrunner who doesn't share your preferences is not remotely similar to the genocidal, megalomaniacal dictator who ordered these deaths. Not even close. Suggesting such a thing even in what you think is a joking manner is disgusting and utterly reprehensible.

If you are one of the people in question, don't even bother trying to comment here. I banned you the moment I saw that thread. There is only one thing I want to hear from you anyway: "I'm sorry. I did something foolish, ignorant, and offensive. I won't do it again."




*By the way, if you are friends with the people who made these comments, please know that I don't judge you for being friends with them, or hold you responsible for their behavior in any way. They are responsible for themselves.

Comments

[lizbee.livejournal.com]

THIS, A THOUSAND TIMES!

[jigglykat.livejournal.com]

Just... wow. So much agreement, and it makes me sad you had to make a post to point out why it's wrong. I know you mentioned it, but seeing it actually used makes me feel so dirty and UGH. So much fail.

[prof-pangaea.livejournal.com]

i am drawing wee crayon hearts round your face right now.

[iko.livejournal.com]

Yes.

Unfortunately, I don't think they are going to apologize because it sounds like they have no concept that they did something wrong. (The whole "too stupid to know any better" comes to mind.)

[unfolded73.livejournal.com]

Well said. (I just caught up on your posts about this.) I can't decide what makes me angrier, the original comments made by the people in question or the weak and transparent backpedalling from those comments.

[risti.livejournal.com]

Yes.

Not much else needed to be said, here.

[syzygy-lj.livejournal.com]

You know who should be compared to Hitler? NOBODY. I don't care if he's a showrunner who doesn't ship your favourite characters enough, or a President whose policies you don't like. Unless they order genocide, YOU CAN'T GO THERE.

[mischief89.livejournal.com]

Thankfully I didn't know anyone in that thread. That is utterly disgusting! I have met people that survived Concentration Camps so to see people so easily equating a producer to Hitler is just horrible.

[spikewriter]

What. The. Fuck?

Compare a show-runner to a genocidal madman just because you don't like the direction he's taking the show? Talk about lack of perspective or a sense of what is and is not important.

[biichan.livejournal.com]

This. So much this.

PS Why have I not friended you yet? This seems to be some weird oversight. I will fix that now.

[radiantbaby.livejournal.com]

Wow, just wow. I'm sad this post even had to be made. There are no words. :(

[profrobert.livejournal.com]

I don't really have anything to add here, but I thought it would be a good thread to unveil this new icon.

[misscam.livejournal.com]

Yeah, as you know michellemtsu referred to Moffat as 'Herr Moff' in a comment on T&C as well. After being alerted to it us mods screened it and told her comparisons to the Nazis were not on. Apparently, we weren't meant to take it as a comparisons to the Nazis even though 'Herr Moff' is a reference to him being a 'TV!Hitler' or some such.

Yeah, how is that not a comparison to the Nazis? I'm sure a bit confused about what else it could be.

Anyway, none of that shit is allowed on T&C and will be smacked down if spotted by a mod.

[swordygardener.livejournal.com]

The Hitler-comparison? Annoying.
People thinking that anything german = Nazi? Also annoying.

Someone should tell these people that "Herr XY" is a common way to refer to a german male in a polite way.

Rather nice to see them not just make genocidical comparisons, but assuming that german way of addressing = evil. But then, since people greeted me with the Hitler salute when I visited the United States, I shouldn't be that surprised at this kind of ignorance.